Gold - auf dem gelben Ziegelsteinweg?

SchlauFuchs ⌂ @, Neuseeland, Mittwoch, 21.10.2015, 12:45 vor 3751 Tagen 3309 Views

Hallo, alle,

Ich hatte vor zwei Monaten mal gesagt, dass meine jetzige Partnerin eine interessante Meinung bezüglich Gold hat. Sie hatte letzten Monat auf TheAutomaticEarth.com einen Artikel zu Gold verfasst, den ich während der letzten 4 Wochen übersetzt habe. Ich fand es interessant zu lesen, hier sicher auch der eine oder andere.

Gold - Auf dem gelben Ziegelsteinweg?
Original: Gold - Follow the Yellow Brick Road?

Mit freundlichem Gruss aus NZ!
SF

Verstehe ich nicht! Sie schreibt:

SevenSamurai @, Mittwoch, 21.10.2015, 16:28 vor 3751 Tagen @ SchlauFuchs 1959 Views

Original:
Gold
- Follow the Yellow Brick Road?

Nicole Foss schreibt:

<Zitat>There are no efficient markets, no rational utility maximization, no equilibrium, no negative feedback, no perfect competition and no perfect information<Zitatende>

Gab es nicht für die Entdeckung des Modells der effizienten Märkte den Nobelpreis für Wirtschaftswissenschaften?

Das kann man doch nicht einfach so leugnen, oder?

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Orlando ⌂ @, Mittwoch, 21.10.2015, 16:33 vor 3751 Tagen @ SevenSamurai 1876 Views

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a Nobel prize in economics represents a received wisdom stamp of approval

SchlauFuchs ⌂ @, Neuseeland, Mittwoch, 21.10.2015, 22:02 vor 3751 Tagen @ SevenSamurai 1477 Views

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Nicole Foss schreibt:

<Zitat>There are no efficient markets, no rational utility
maximization, no equilibrium, no negative feedback, no perfect competition
and no perfect information<Zitatende>

Gab es nicht für die Entdeckung des Modells der effizienten Märkte den
Nobelpreis für Wirtschaftswissenschaften?

Das kann man doch nicht einfach so leugnen, oder?

Ihre Antwort:
There is no official Nobel Prize in economics, there is only a similar prize added later using the same name, and it is thoroughly grounded in the prevailing neo-classical model of economics. As such, a Nobel prize in economics represents a received wisdom stamp of approval. It is precisely this model that is the issue, and this received wisdom which is fundamentally flawed. Every one of its founding assumptions bears no relationship to reality. Economists may recognize this, and yet nevertheless defend the conclusions drawn from it. Neo-classical economics would have you believe that an economy can be modelled without reference to money, banking or credit, on the grounds that credit is demand neutral. This is patently false, as anyone who has lived through a credit bubble will know.

I would strongly recommend the book Debunking Economics, by Steve Keen, in which he decontructs the foundations of macro-economics and reassembles the discipline from the ground up.

Vielen Dank für den Hinweis auf vertiefende Literatur

SevenSamurai @, Donnerstag, 22.10.2015, 12:08 vor 3750 Tagen @ SchlauFuchs 1339 Views

Nicole Foss schreibt:

I would strongly recommend the book Debunking Economics, by Steve
Keen, in which he decontructs the foundations of macro-economics and
reassembles the discipline from the ground up.

Vielen Dank für den Hinweis auf vertiefende Literatur.

Das Problem, welches ich an der Kritik der jetzigen ökonomischen Modelle habe, ist, dass diese ökonomischen Modelle bislang jedem Crash und jeder Krise standgehalten haben.

Die Aktien und somit die Ökonomie sind seit Anfang der 80er immer nur gestiegen. Jedes Crashlein (1987, LTCM, 2000, 2008) hat zu noch mehr Rekorden geführt. Auch die Arbeitslosigkeit ist niedriger als vor 10 Jahren.

Es ist das Gegenteil von dem passiert, was uns die Untergangspropheten geschildert haben.

Ja, sogar der Dollar ist trotz all der QE-Programme viel, viel stärker geworden.

Deshalb bin ich froh, fundierte Gegenmeinungen zu hören und zu lesen.

(Bei mir stellt sich bezüglich Wirtschaft/Börse/Banken etc. kognitive Dissonanz ein... [[sauer]] )

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It's a big club, and you ain't in it.

Neo-classical economics fails to predict boom and bust

SchlauFuchs ⌂ @, Neuseeland, Samstag, 24.10.2015, 07:33 vor 3748 Tagen @ SevenSamurai 1279 Views

Hi, SevenSamurai,

Hier ist Nicole's Antwort (etwas laenger):

As you say, the larger trend has been upwards, in the direction of global economic expansion and greater risk taking, since the financial liberalisation of 1982 which ushered in the era of globalisation. The setbacks within that overall expansion have been cyclical phenomena at a lower degree of trend. However, we are now nearing a major trend change. The financial crisis of 2008 was a warning shot across the bow, but the main credit crunch still lies ahead. The expansionary years represented a tremendous increase in credit and debt, as money was continually created out of thin air. In doing so we created a situation of excess claims to underlying real wealth, or a crisis of under-collateralisation if you like. In the bust to follow our 30 year boom, these excess claims will be rapidly and messily eliminated, crashing the value of credit instruments and thus the money supply.

The returns to speculation (gambling on asset price appreciation through over-financialization) so far outweighed the returns in the real economy during the boom, that the parasitic speculative economy had come to be the dominant form of 'investment'. The real economy has been starved as a result. We have now reached the point where all the income streams of the diminished productive economy can no longer service the debt created. The marginal productivity of debt has gone negative, hence we borrow to generate negative added value. This is a leading indicator of a major trend change, as is the reversal of a historic high in margin debt. The markets are extremely vulnerable to a very substantial reversal as a result. Quantitative easing cannot generate willing borrowers and lenders, and cannot overcome the pace and power of a deflationary wave of debt default.

The deflationary tide emanating from China is similarly a leading indicator of contraction in the global economy. China's so-called economic miracle is actually a gigantic Ponzi scheme based on a mountain of bad debt. Without China's enormous demand for commodities, we will see many knock-on effects, particularly in countries whose business model is a leveraged bet on China. The impact on the derivatives market, through interest rates (a risk premium) and currency disruptions, stands to reveal the extent of counterparty risk, and the fatal flaw of lack of capital adequacy regulation. The risks are systemic.

Conventional economics, which neglects the role of credit entirely, is incapable of predicting such trend changes. Instead of analysis it merely extrapolates current trends forward, as if they would continue indefinitely. Credit may be demand neutral over a complete cycle of many decades, but it is not at all neutral within a cycle, and as such cannot be neglected in any realistic model. Credit acts to stimulate artificial demand during the expansion phase, effectively borrowing demand from the future. When boom turns to bust, that additional demand must be 'repaid'. This is why we experience a period of economic depression following a major credit bubble. We replace artificially high demand with a demand undershoot lasting many years.

Demand is not what one wants, but what one can pay for, hence in an era of powerful monetary contraction, there is an insufficient money supply in circulation to support the previous level of economic activity. As both the money supply and the velocity of money fall substantially, a liquidity crunch sets in, and deflation and economic depression become mutually reinforcing for a period of time. The virtuous circle of economic expansion becomes a vicious circle of contraction. Given that the bust is typically proportionate to the preceding boom, and that the boom of the last 30 years was one for the record books, we can expect a record period of contraction to follow. It should easily be on a par with the Great Depression of the 1930s, and likely larger.

If anyone is interested, all these topics have been covered in great detail in the primers section of my website The Automatic Earth. I would be happy to provide links on specific issues. Unfortunately they are in English. I can read German, to a point, but I cannot write it. Apologies for that.
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Wenn Bedarf besteht, kann ich auch ein paar Artikel von TAE uebersetzen.

Ciao!
SF

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